My debeate with ISIK ABLA MINISTRY
First of all
who is isik abla? Answer from his
websites blogspot
Isık Abla was born in Turkey. She was raised—and
physically abused—in a Muslim home, only to escape into even deadlier abuse by
a man she married.
Isık entered college when she was only sixteen and earned a
bachelor’s degree in literature, followed by an advanced business degree. She
worked in high-ranking executive positions for some of the largest corporations
in Turkey and traveled extensively throughout Europe.
In 1996, she fled to America for her life from a violent
husband. After years of struggle to start her career all over again in a
foreign country and failing in many areas of her personal life, Isık went into
intense depression.
She had a personal encounter with God on the day she was
planning her suicide. That day, she received the supernatural healing and
redemption of Jesus Christ.
From that moment on, her life remarkably changed for the
better. More doors were opened, and she was given a position as CFO, then as
CEO, of North American operations for a European corporation. In the meantime,
Isık served in many capacities as a minister of the Gospel and as an evangelist
and public speaker. Isık started her second college to study Computer Science.
After a while, she realized that God was calling her into full time ministry.
She left college and went to Ambassador's Commission School of Ministry. Soon
after her graduation, she became an ordained minister by WBWF.
In 2009, Isık began hosting a satellite TV program called Light
for the Heart on the Kanal Hayat Turkish-language channel. After receiving
tremendous response, two years later, Isık added a live call-in program that is
simulcast on the Turkish and Farsi channels throughout the Middle East and
Europe. These TV programs now deliver the message of love, healing, and freedom
through Christ Jesus, reflecting on her own life experience.
Here we see the
relationship between Israel and the Missionaries
In 13th January 2015 I have sent my message to
sister isik abla on his face book
account
AL-Ishbeli AL-Ma'aferi:
Hi sister. God. Bless you and I want to tell
you this truth for your life here and in other life jesus christ is not. God
created a universe. He is a massenger of that god who. Created the existance.
Also Here I have taken my info from website of
Jehovah's Witnesses My purpose was to prove for Christian people that there is
Christian believe that jesus is not god
God – a single entity and not a trinity
A balanced view of God
To get a balanced and consistent view of who and what God is we must surely, have to take the whole of the Biblical record into account. We shall start with some references from the beginning of the Bible to see what the early believers in God wrote.
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” Deuteronomy 6:4
“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5
“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me…” Isaiah 46:9
So from these few verses we have seen that God has not once described himself as being three in one. No where in the Old Testament, or in the whole Bible for that matter, is mentioned the word Trinity. God has only said he is one being.
What does Jesus say about God?
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he (Jesus) had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:28-29
So Jesus believes and supports the statement made in the old testament that God is one being.
The popular belief that God, is three beings in one (the Father, the son and the Holy spirit) is nowhere found in the scriptures. Consider Christs own words:
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
So is this a third part of almighty God speaking as some suggest? If so, Jesus was in subjection to the other third of his supposed being – “God the father”. If the view of the trinity is true then each third must have a ranking system. God the Father at the top and the others somewhere underneath him – but remember that the suggestion is that they are all one person according to the argument of the Trinity, so it is impossible for one being to have parts of it which are of higher authority than other parts of it. Consider this verse:
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42
Jesus was in complete subjection to the fathers will, but he had a will of his own. This clearly shows that they were not one person but two completely different beings, having their own wills.
Another point we could bring out is that the Bible teaches that God knew things that Jesus didn’t – this of course would be an impossibility if they were the same being:
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32
What did the early Christians believe?
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8v6
Notice how the apostle Paul believes that there is one God and one Lord Jesus. They are two different beings – not part of a trinity. Again we could mention here that the word “trinity” is nowhere to be found in the Bible but mainstream Christianity holds it up as a core doctrine.
A balanced view of God
To get a balanced and consistent view of who and what God is we must surely, have to take the whole of the Biblical record into account. We shall start with some references from the beginning of the Bible to see what the early believers in God wrote.
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” Deuteronomy 6:4
“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5
“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me…” Isaiah 46:9
So from these few verses we have seen that God has not once described himself as being three in one. No where in the Old Testament, or in the whole Bible for that matter, is mentioned the word Trinity. God has only said he is one being.
What does Jesus say about God?
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he (Jesus) had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:28-29
So Jesus believes and supports the statement made in the old testament that God is one being.
The popular belief that God, is three beings in one (the Father, the son and the Holy spirit) is nowhere found in the scriptures. Consider Christs own words:
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
So is this a third part of almighty God speaking as some suggest? If so, Jesus was in subjection to the other third of his supposed being – “God the father”. If the view of the trinity is true then each third must have a ranking system. God the Father at the top and the others somewhere underneath him – but remember that the suggestion is that they are all one person according to the argument of the Trinity, so it is impossible for one being to have parts of it which are of higher authority than other parts of it. Consider this verse:
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42
Jesus was in complete subjection to the fathers will, but he had a will of his own. This clearly shows that they were not one person but two completely different beings, having their own wills.
Another point we could bring out is that the Bible teaches that God knew things that Jesus didn’t – this of course would be an impossibility if they were the same being:
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32
What did the early Christians believe?
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8v6
Notice how the apostle Paul believes that there is one God and one Lord Jesus. They are two different beings – not part of a trinity. Again we could mention here that the word “trinity” is nowhere to be found in the Bible but mainstream Christianity holds it up as a core doctrine.
God – a single entity and not a trinity
A balanced view of God
To get a balanced and consistent view of who and what God is we must surely, have to take the whole of the Biblical record into account. We shall start with some references from the beginning of the Bible to see what the early believers in God wrote.
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” Deuteronomy 6:4
“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5
“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me…” Isaiah 46:9
So from these few verses we have seen that God has not once described himself as being three in one. No where in the Old Testament, or in the whole Bible for that matter, is mentioned the word Trinity. God has only said he is one being.
What does Jesus say about God?
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he (Jesus) had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:28-29
So Jesus believes and supports the statement made in the old testament that God is one being.
The popular belief that God, is three beings in one (the Father, the son and the Holy spirit) is nowhere found in the scriptures. Consider Christs own words:
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
So is this a third part of almighty God speaking as some suggest? If so, Jesus was in subjection to the other third of his supposed being – “God the father”. If the view of the trinity is true then each third must have a ranking system. God the Father at the top and the others somewhere underneath him – but remember that the suggestion is that they are all one person according to the argument of the Trinity, so it is impossible for one being to have parts of it which are of higher authority than other parts of it. Consider this verse:
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42
Jesus was in complete subjection to the fathers will, but he had a will of his own. This clearly shows that they were not one person but two completely different beings, having their own wills.
Another point we could bring out is that the Bible teaches that God knew things that Jesus didn’t – this of course would be an impossibility if they were the same being:
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32
What did the early Christians believe?
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8v6
Notice how the apostle Paul believes that there is one God and one Lord Jesus. They are two different beings – not part of a trinity. Again we could mention here that the word “trinity” is nowhere to be found in the Bible but mainstream Christianity holds it up as a core doctrine.
Other Evidence to show that Jesus and God are not part of the trinity
God cannot be tempted
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man” James 1:13
James tells us God cannot be tempted. Jesus was:
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin” Hebrews 4:15
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. Hebrews 2:14
How could God be tempted to sin against himself?! God makes the laws and therefore it is impossible for God to sin or even be tempted to sin.
God cannot die
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. Psalms 90:2
So God is everlasting. However Jesus died and was in the grave for 3 days:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 1:18
God cannot be seen
In Timothy we read how that God dwells “in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1 Tim 6:16). But Jesus dwelt on earth and was seen of hundreds of people!
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:18
So Jesus then, declared God but cannot of been God himself because “No man has seen God at any time”.
The relationship between God and Jesus Christ
Although Jesus was not God, he was a manifestation of how God wants men to live. He thought like God, he obeyed God’s every command, he was the very likeness of God – BUT he was not God himself. Consider the following verses:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:4
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9
We can see that Jesus was a manifestation of God. He even tells us this himself:
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.John 17:16
Manifested means “to clearly show”. He clearly showed what God wants us to be like to such an extent that he could say this:
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
In the light of the verses previously presented this cannot mean that Jesus was one being with the Father. All it is saying is that Jesus was one in purpose with God. This can clearly be prooved by examining what Christ says a little later in John:
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. John 17:20-21
The believers in Christ’s time were not part of the trinity (but if you take John 10:30 to mean that then, following this logic they must be!).
Where does the belief in the trinity come from?
We have seen how that, throughout the Bible God is only described as being one being. We have seen how that Jesus and the early followers of Christ also believed this and clearly taught it. So where and how has this view of the trinity come from?
Our history books show us that the belief comes from a creed called the Athinasian creed. It was published and imposed in the forth century after Christ died, about 300 years after Jesus walked the earth. The Romans used this creed when they changed from being Pagans to so called Christians and this Creed is still used in Churches around us today and is the basis of The Roman Catholic faith and the basis of the other faiths who have split from the Catholics. Here is a quote from it:
“The Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the father another of the son and another of the holy ghost. But the Godhead of the father, of the son and of the holy ghost is all one, the glory equal the majesty co-eternal.”
Now we notice that none of this is backed up by scripture, the true word of God. Surly any true follower of God would have written in the relevant passages so that everyone could understand and know why this creed had to be obeyed. But there is not one.
The belief in the trinity is showed by nearly all history books to of been put in place after the early apostles and therefore is admitted to not of been what the early Christians believed. In a historical book called “The Doctrine of the trinity” by a Mr. P.E.White (who is a Catholic) we read this:
“From the very first the rule has been as a matter of fact, for the Church to preach the Truth, and then appeal to scripture in vindication of its own teaching.”
Sadly we feel that he is speaking truth. But why do so many follow after the belief of the Trinity? The answer is simple. They do not check it for themselves with what the Bible teaches. Consider Jesus Christ’s words:
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39
So it is to the Bible we must turn, and when we do, we do not find any evidence to suggest that God is made up of three beings.
A balanced view of God
To get a balanced and consistent view of who and what God is we must surely, have to take the whole of the Biblical record into account. We shall start with some references from the beginning of the Bible to see what the early believers in God wrote.
“Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD” Deuteronomy 6:4
“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” Isaiah 44:8
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isaiah 45:5
“Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me…” Isaiah 46:9
So from these few verses we have seen that God has not once described himself as being three in one. No where in the Old Testament, or in the whole Bible for that matter, is mentioned the word Trinity. God has only said he is one being.
What does Jesus say about God?
And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he (Jesus) had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Mark 12:28-29
So Jesus believes and supports the statement made in the old testament that God is one being.
The popular belief that God, is three beings in one (the Father, the son and the Holy spirit) is nowhere found in the scriptures. Consider Christs own words:
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” John 5:30
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
So is this a third part of almighty God speaking as some suggest? If so, Jesus was in subjection to the other third of his supposed being – “God the father”. If the view of the trinity is true then each third must have a ranking system. God the Father at the top and the others somewhere underneath him – but remember that the suggestion is that they are all one person according to the argument of the Trinity, so it is impossible for one being to have parts of it which are of higher authority than other parts of it. Consider this verse:
Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. Luke 22:42
Jesus was in complete subjection to the fathers will, but he had a will of his own. This clearly shows that they were not one person but two completely different beings, having their own wills.
Another point we could bring out is that the Bible teaches that God knew things that Jesus didn’t – this of course would be an impossibility if they were the same being:
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Mark 13:32
What did the early Christians believe?
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Timothy 2:5
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8v6
Notice how the apostle Paul believes that there is one God and one Lord Jesus. They are two different beings – not part of a trinity. Again we could mention here that the word “trinity” is nowhere to be found in the Bible but mainstream Christianity holds it up as a core doctrine.
Other Evidence to show that Jesus and God are not part of the trinity
God cannot be tempted
“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man” James 1:13
James tells us God cannot be tempted. Jesus was:
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin” Hebrews 4:15
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. Hebrews 2:14
How could God be tempted to sin against himself?! God makes the laws and therefore it is impossible for God to sin or even be tempted to sin.
God cannot die
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. Psalms 90:2
So God is everlasting. However Jesus died and was in the grave for 3 days:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 1:18
God cannot be seen
In Timothy we read how that God dwells “in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. (1 Tim 6:16). But Jesus dwelt on earth and was seen of hundreds of people!
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 1:18
So Jesus then, declared God but cannot of been God himself because “No man has seen God at any time”.
The relationship between God and Jesus Christ
Although Jesus was not God, he was a manifestation of how God wants men to live. He thought like God, he obeyed God’s every command, he was the very likeness of God – BUT he was not God himself. Consider the following verses:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:4
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Colossians 2:9
We can see that Jesus was a manifestation of God. He even tells us this himself:
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.John 17:16
Manifested means “to clearly show”. He clearly showed what God wants us to be like to such an extent that he could say this:
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
In the light of the verses previously presented this cannot mean that Jesus was one being with the Father. All it is saying is that Jesus was one in purpose with God. This can clearly be prooved by examining what Christ says a little later in John:
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. John 17:20-21
The believers in Christ’s time were not part of the trinity (but if you take John 10:30 to mean that then, following this logic they must be!).
Where does the belief in the trinity come from?
We have seen how that, throughout the Bible God is only described as being one being. We have seen how that Jesus and the early followers of Christ also believed this and clearly taught it. So where and how has this view of the trinity come from?
Our history books show us that the belief comes from a creed called the Athinasian creed. It was published and imposed in the forth century after Christ died, about 300 years after Jesus walked the earth. The Romans used this creed when they changed from being Pagans to so called Christians and this Creed is still used in Churches around us today and is the basis of The Roman Catholic faith and the basis of the other faiths who have split from the Catholics. Here is a quote from it:
“The Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity. Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the father another of the son and another of the holy ghost. But the Godhead of the father, of the son and of the holy ghost is all one, the glory equal the majesty co-eternal.”
Now we notice that none of this is backed up by scripture, the true word of God. Surly any true follower of God would have written in the relevant passages so that everyone could understand and know why this creed had to be obeyed. But there is not one.
The belief in the trinity is showed by nearly all history books to of been put in place after the early apostles and therefore is admitted to not of been what the early Christians believed. In a historical book called “The Doctrine of the trinity” by a Mr. P.E.White (who is a Catholic) we read this:
“From the very first the rule has been as a matter of fact, for the Church to preach the Truth, and then appeal to scripture in vindication of its own teaching.”
Sadly we feel that he is speaking truth. But why do so many follow after the belief of the Trinity? The answer is simple. They do not check it for themselves with what the Bible teaches. Consider Jesus Christ’s words:
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. John 5:39
So it is to the Bible we must turn, and when we do, we do not find any evidence to suggest that God is made up of three beings.
In 19th
January 2015 she replied to me this message
Hello dear AL-Ishbeli AL-Ma'aferi! I am so
happy that you messaged me. Jesus accepts worship, claims to be God, and never
rebukes those who proclaim Him as the Messiah. In Injeel the idea that Jesus
is, in fact, God is not arrived at by proof texts and generalities but by
direct statements. In John 1:14, Jesus is rightly called by the title,
"The Word." "The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among
us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from
the Father, full of grace and truth." Earlier in that same chapter we are
told fully who Jesus, The Word, is: "In the beginning was the Word, and
the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Did you know that some of
the very last words Jesus said in the Bible repeat his claim to being God? In
Revelation 1 Jesus says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, who is, and who
was, and who is to come, the Almighty... Do not be afraid. I am the First and
the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive forever and
ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." Alpha and Omega are the
first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. Jesus is clearly the one
speaking, clearly claiming to be God, and clearly stating He died and rose
again. Jesus claims to hold the keys to life, death, and hell. Read the
unfiltered words of Jesus about Himself in Injeel. No one can explain the
unexplainable about the full essence of Jesus. We trust that God is eternal
even though we cannot explain it logically. We believe and share with you that
Jesus is God because Injeel clearly says that he is.
God Bless you dear brother AL-Ishbeli AL-Ma'aferi.
Isik Abla Ministries
God Bless you dear brother AL-Ishbeli AL-Ma'aferi.
Isik Abla Ministries
AL-Ishbeli AL-Ma'aferi :
My
replied to her 21st January 2015
hi dear sister Isik Abla i appreciate your
repeated to my message sister you have sent to some information about jesus
that you understand from new testament
i have read it and found a lot of notices
about John 1:14
We must read this chapter from beginning
John 1:1 In the beginning was the
Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Here we must read the meaning of god in
greek scroll in old grammar not modern
en arch hn o
logoj kai o logoj hn proj ton qeon kai qeoj hn o logoj
qeon: theon mean god
qeoj: theos
mean diviner
where qeoj is the
single of θεους (theous) means gods, and gods here mean like diviners of temple
look John 10:35 ει εκεινους ειπεν θεους προς ους
ο λογος του θεου εγενετο και ου δυναται λυθηναι η γραφη
John 10:35 If he called them gods, to whom
the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;This talk facing to Jews rabbis
Barnes explanation said: about john 10:35
Unto whom the word of God came
- That is, who were his servants, or who received
their dignity and honor only because the law of God was intrusted to them. “The Word of God” here means
the command of God; his commission to them to do justice.
Also William McDonald in
explanation of john 10:35 said : god used these words and quoted from psalms 82:6 ((I have said, Ye are
gods, and all of you are children of the Most
High;))
God shows that the word of gods
here use to describe people who have word of the god .
So
Jesus here is a man of great god and make him great but not like god
father who created universe we noticed
that from Paul letters When he said in the beginning many times.
Paul, apostle of Jesus Christ
by God's will
Or Paul, bondman(means servant of jesus look the codex's of new testament in Greek language( δουλος )) of Jesus Christ, a called
apostle, separated to God's glad tidings,
In ROM 1:1
Look
also 2Th 1:1 Paul and Silvanus and Timotheus to the
assembly of Thessalonians in God our Father and the
Lord Jesus Christ
Here Paul said God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ
As the Disciples of Christ said also in
matthew 8:19 And a scribe came up and said to him, Teacher, I will follow thee whithersoever thou mayest
go. Called the Christ as
teacher not god
and about Revelation Revelation 1:8 I am
Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and
which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.
Revelation 21:6 And he said to me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to him that is thirsty of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last
This words talk about the great god (father in your faith) not talk about Jesus Christ (son of god in your faith)
Just read the Revelation from beginning and you will see clearly in the first the angle talked with john and transferred to him the word of great god (father ) not mention to Jesus Christ ( son) look it again to Revelation
Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.
Revelation 21:6 And he said to me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to him that is thirsty of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last
This words talk about the great god (father in your faith) not talk about Jesus Christ (son of god in your faith)
Just read the Revelation from beginning and you will see clearly in the first the angle talked with john and transferred to him the word of great god (father ) not mention to Jesus Christ ( son) look it again to Revelation
god bless you dear sister Isik Abla and guide
you to his way your brother who love the good things to you AL-Ishbeli
AL-Ma'aferi
even i never forget you have to read this
notices about jesus in bible Jesus was not God
We would like to now dispel the common idea that Jesus was God. When we turn to our Bible’s and read the word of God without preconceived ideas and without ‘reading into’ the text the idea that Jesus was God himself can be seen to not be something which is taught. For example consider carefully this famous verse spoken in prayer by Jesus himself:
“…And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
So we see then that to obtain eternal life one must have a correct understanding of God AND Jesus Christ. They are not the one and the same personage. Here’s another passage which proves the same:
“But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6
A careful analysis of history will reveal that the idea of Jesus being God in the concept known as “The Trinity” was not an idea that the apostles preached but was a concept which arose from within the early Church which developed into the “Catholic Church”. The doctrine of the Trinity is the idea that the ‘God head’ is made up of three personages “God the Father”, “God the son” and “The Holy Spirit”. These three beings are all equal parts of the same being. This corruption of the true teaching of the Bible continued down in time and remained with many of the “split off’s” from the Catholic Church also adopting this concept. The word ‘Trinity’ is not found in the Bible and the concept is not outlined there. It’s origin will be found in the creeds of men which have become an ingrained doctrine which people have attempted to squeeze into the Bible by twisting and reading into the text.
The Bible defies this doctrine of “The Trinity”. We’ve already seen a couple of examples but let us see what the Bible teaches in regard to the relationship between ‘The Father’ and ‘The son of God” (note the phrase “God the son” is also nowhere found in the Bible).
“Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” John 14:28
The Father and Jesus then have different statuses. Jesus tells us that the Father is greater – they cannot therefore be equal.
As we study the Gospels we also find that Jesus had a different ‘will’ to the Father and that they ‘knew’ difference things. This would be impossible if they were one and the same being! Consider these passages:
“…Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:42
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” Matt 13:32
The idea that an almighty and eternal being would be born as a fragile baby child is not one that makes any sense at all. an immortal being, having to be fed, cleaned and taught things from scratch – and yet still be the same being that had awesome Creative power – simply seems very far fetched.
The Bible does however reveal that Jesus and The Father were one in purpose and we are told that we too, if we follow Jesus should be one in purpose as they are. Jesus “manifested” or showed forth, the character of God. Consider this verse:
“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:” John 17:20
Jesus was a man
The Bible does not reveal Jesus as a God but as a man – albeit a special man because he was the son of God. He was though a man with the same ‘nature’ as all humans – that is to say a proneness to sin and being subject to death.
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” 1 Tim 2:5
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death… ” Hebrews 2:14
“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren… For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.” Heb 2:17-18
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” Hebrews 4:15
How could Jesus be tempted to sin against God if he was God? What would the point of been of speeding 40 days in the wilderness being tempted? These things simply do not make an sense unless we conclude that Jesus was a man, the son of God, and not God himself, having the same nature as other men but having been given the power, by God to overcome the temptations that came his way. In every temptation Jesus chose to do God’s will.
We would like to now dispel the common idea that Jesus was God. When we turn to our Bible’s and read the word of God without preconceived ideas and without ‘reading into’ the text the idea that Jesus was God himself can be seen to not be something which is taught. For example consider carefully this famous verse spoken in prayer by Jesus himself:
“…And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3
So we see then that to obtain eternal life one must have a correct understanding of God AND Jesus Christ. They are not the one and the same personage. Here’s another passage which proves the same:
“But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6
A careful analysis of history will reveal that the idea of Jesus being God in the concept known as “The Trinity” was not an idea that the apostles preached but was a concept which arose from within the early Church which developed into the “Catholic Church”. The doctrine of the Trinity is the idea that the ‘God head’ is made up of three personages “God the Father”, “God the son” and “The Holy Spirit”. These three beings are all equal parts of the same being. This corruption of the true teaching of the Bible continued down in time and remained with many of the “split off’s” from the Catholic Church also adopting this concept. The word ‘Trinity’ is not found in the Bible and the concept is not outlined there. It’s origin will be found in the creeds of men which have become an ingrained doctrine which people have attempted to squeeze into the Bible by twisting and reading into the text.
The Bible defies this doctrine of “The Trinity”. We’ve already seen a couple of examples but let us see what the Bible teaches in regard to the relationship between ‘The Father’ and ‘The son of God” (note the phrase “God the son” is also nowhere found in the Bible).
“Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” John 14:28
The Father and Jesus then have different statuses. Jesus tells us that the Father is greater – they cannot therefore be equal.
As we study the Gospels we also find that Jesus had a different ‘will’ to the Father and that they ‘knew’ difference things. This would be impossible if they were one and the same being! Consider these passages:
“…Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.” Luke 22:42
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” Matt 13:32
The idea that an almighty and eternal being would be born as a fragile baby child is not one that makes any sense at all. an immortal being, having to be fed, cleaned and taught things from scratch – and yet still be the same being that had awesome Creative power – simply seems very far fetched.
The Bible does however reveal that Jesus and The Father were one in purpose and we are told that we too, if we follow Jesus should be one in purpose as they are. Jesus “manifested” or showed forth, the character of God. Consider this verse:
“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:” John 17:20
Jesus was a man
The Bible does not reveal Jesus as a God but as a man – albeit a special man because he was the son of God. He was though a man with the same ‘nature’ as all humans – that is to say a proneness to sin and being subject to death.
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” 1 Tim 2:5
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death… ” Hebrews 2:14
“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren… For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.” Heb 2:17-18
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” Hebrews 4:15
How could Jesus be tempted to sin against God if he was God? What would the point of been of speeding 40 days in the wilderness being tempted? These things simply do not make an sense unless we conclude that Jesus was a man, the son of God, and not God himself, having the same nature as other men but having been given the power, by God to overcome the temptations that came his way. In every temptation Jesus chose to do God’s will.
i repeated my greeting to you sister and
sorry for my long message
Isik Abla
replied to me 23rd January 2015
Dear brother Al-ishbeli AL-Ma'aferi, I
believe this is a long article written by someone else...I am happy to discuss
what YOU write from your own heart, but I cannot respond to articles written by
other people because it would be impossible to do that with the numbers of
people who follow my FB page I hope you understand! Yes?
Your life matters much to God. You are
valuable to Him, dear Al-ishbeli AL-Ma'aferi. Ask God to show you the Truth
about Jesus Christ in a vision or a dream. He will do it!
With kind regards to you, our brother,
Isik Abla Ministries
With kind regards to you, our brother,
Isik Abla Ministries
In 24th January 2015
My dear brother, I am happy to reply to your
message! You are dearly loved by God!
My
reply to her 24th jan 2015
Dear sister isik abla all I have written to
you are from my thinking but alas. You evaded from the answer and even if this
article not wrote by me you must defend on Your faith. Believe me the truth is
very clear in logic how can jesus or holy spirit to be a god and the father made
them and sent them. For your information. If god made another god that's mean
the first god is creator and the second god is creature. And exactly become not
god. A massengar or angle. This is my first answer
She
replied immediately
Hello again dear Al-ishbeli AL-Ma'aferi! I
appreciate your careful thoughts concerning the first chapter of the gospel of
John. These words draw our minds. These words cause us to think. You rightly
understand from these words that God and Jesus are distinct. They are separate.
The Word - the "commands of God" took on the flesh of a man in Jesus
Christ. He was sent from God to show us humans what God is like...to show us
God's glory.
My
reply
My second answer to you how can. We know the
truth by a dreams or a vision maybe divils made it how ??? This is wrong.
Sister. We know the way of god by the evidances and by our mind not by fantasy
Finally. I hope to try to understand. The method to know the truth.
I know you are a famous person. But. To know god. Need from you. To help yourself to read mote about that
Finally. I hope to try to understand. The method to know the truth.
I know you are a famous person. But. To know god. Need from you. To help yourself to read mote about that
Hers
In reading the context of Revelation, chapter
1, verse 8 - YES, you are right! The words "I am the Alpha and
Omega..." are spoken by the Lord God.
In reading the context of Revelation, chapter 21, verse 6 - YES, you are right. The words "I am the Alpha and Omega..." are spoken by the Lord God.
In reading the context of Revelation, chapter 22, verse 13 - The words "The words "I am the Alpha and Omega..." are spoken by Jesus, as indicated by verse 16.
It is good for us to talk about these things
In reading the context of Revelation, chapter 21, verse 6 - YES, you are right. The words "I am the Alpha and Omega..." are spoken by the Lord God.
In reading the context of Revelation, chapter 22, verse 13 - The words "The words "I am the Alpha and Omega..." are spoken by Jesus, as indicated by verse 16.
It is good for us to talk about these things
I
said
Also sister I'm Happy to you repeat to me
She
replied
And
I
God bless you sister. I don't. Want. To. Lose
your time but. Really. I love you as my sister. And want you to. Still search.
About the truth.
I'm. A research(searcher) in holybook. Sister since ten years nice to
meet you sister. And in next days. I will discuss with you. In a lot of things.
If you want. God. Bless you again and. Guide you to his right. Way. Your.
Brother. Al ishbeli
25nd
jan 2015
I
continued to repeat to her
hi sister again about the revelation 22:13
let us read this chapter from 22:8 Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things,
and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before
the feet of the angel which showed me these things.
9 Then said he to me, See you do it not: for I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he said to me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
here the angle talk to john ok next 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
here the angle talk what god says (quoted) ok
9 Then said he to me, See you do it not: for I am your fellow servant, and of your brothers the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
10 And he said to me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
here the angle talk to john ok next 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
here the angle talk what god says (quoted) ok
next 14 Blessed are they that do ((his))
commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in
through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie
here the angle again talk about the god (father in your faith look when he said his in revelation 22:14 ok
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie
here the angle again talk about the god (father in your faith look when he said his in revelation 22:14 ok
next 16 I Jesus have sent my angel to testify
to you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David,
and the bright and morning star here jesus talk he sent the angle to talk about
the god (father) because jesus is a messenger we noticed that in revelation
22:18 and 22:19 when jesus said 18 For I testify to every man that hears the
words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add to these things,
((God)) shall add to him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, ((God)) shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book jesus talked ((God)) shall not said i shall
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, ((God)) shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book jesus talked ((God)) shall not said i shall
finally this last parts 20 He which testifies
these things said, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
are not holy speech this is not refer to god talking or jesus speech
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
are not holy speech this is not refer to god talking or jesus speech
goodbye sister and see you soon with my best
greeting to you your brother who love the best thing to you
if i not forget about i'm the first and the
last read heprews 7:1-2-3 Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest
of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the
kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 (( Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. )) see you bye
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 (( Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. )) see you bye
in
26th jan 2015
i
continued to send a repetitions to her
The evidence of that jesus Christ is not god
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
And this is eternal life: to have knowledge of you, the only true God, and of him whom you have sent, even Jesus Christ.
- Basic English Bible
This part remember us the speech of arios who said jesus is a messenger of the lord god
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
And this is eternal life: to have knowledge of you, the only true God, and of him whom you have sent, even Jesus Christ.
- Basic English Bible
This part remember us the speech of arios who said jesus is a messenger of the lord god
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them:
for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
))Here jesus Christ teach us to pray to lord god (father) not to himself((
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
((Jesus is not god only the lord god is god))
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
))Here jesus Christ teach us to pray to lord god (father) not to himself((
Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
((Jesus is not god only the lord god is god))
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus
cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My
God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
((Jesus here was calling himself ???? or called the lord god))
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
((How jesus Delivers his soul to himself ??
Or to the lord god think))
Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
((Jesus here was calling himself ???? or called the lord god))
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
((How jesus Delivers his soul to himself ??
Or to the lord god think))
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man
that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Here jesus Confirms that he is a messenger
Here jesus Confirms that he is a messenger
Finally
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only…
Here jesus frankly Confess that the load god only is the greatest in this universe and he is weaker than him so here we confirm that jesus Christ is not god he is only man (messenger of lord god )
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only…
Here jesus frankly Confess that the load god only is the greatest in this universe and he is weaker than him so here we confirm that jesus Christ is not god he is only man (messenger of lord god )
god bless you and guide you to his right way
i wish i didn't bother you but remember always that i want you to know the true
way of god because i love you as my sister and i want to save you for your
other life when we will stand in front of lord god bye bye sister isik abla and
i hope you think agian and again with your self only and with our god who will
guide you to the truth
after
that she replied to me
Dear brother Al-Ishbeli, I am happy to
message you again. We are a team who work with Isik on her Facebook Responses
and I am a member of her team.
Prior to coming into the Kingdom of God
through the person of Jesus Christ, Isik was continually abused by her mother,
father and later her husband. Because she was a devout Muslim, Isik cried out
to Allah to come to help her, but he never came. Isik followed all the tenets
of Islam exactly but found no hope for her life. On the day of her planned
suicide, she said YES to belief in Jesus Christ. She did not have all the
answers intellectually, but she fully surrendered to the God who loves her and
the God who sent Jesus to show the depth of His love for her.
You said "God bless you sister. I don't.
Want. To. Lose your time but. Really. I love you as my sister. And want you to.
Still search. About the truth." Al-Ishbeli, we want you to know that we
feel the same about you. We want you to still search for the Truth.
Isik
abla returned again and she said
In
28th jan 2015
Hello again dear Al-Ishbeli! I apologize for
my delay in getting back to you. You wrote out Revelation 22:8-13. You are
correct. Verse 13 (I am the Alpha and the Omega) are the words of God.
Revelation 22: 14-15 Yes, the angel talks
about God - "Blessed are they that do His (God's) commandments..."
Yes, Al-Ishbeli, you are correct. In
Revelation 22:19, it is God who "shall take away his part out of the book
of life, and out of the holy city..." It is not Jesus who does this. It is
God.
You are asking about Revelation 22:20-21
next. We read in Revelation 1:1 that the entire Revelation of Jesus Christ was
given to the apostle John by the mouth of the angel. So looking back at
Revelation 22:8-9, we read "8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And
when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who
showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
So John tries to worship the angel and the angel tells him to only Worship God.
In chapter 22: verses 20 and 21
John says, He who testifies to these things says,
Jesus says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
John says, Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”
So John tries to worship the angel and the angel tells him to only Worship God.
In chapter 22: verses 20 and 21
John says, He who testifies to these things says,
Jesus says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
John says, Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen
Al-Isbeli, I am happy to look at these words
of Injeel with you!
You wrote out Hebrews, chapter 7, verses
1,2,3. Melchisedec, the king of Salem, lived at the time of Abraham (about 2000
BC). In these verses, Melchisedec is compared in two ways to Jesus Christ. #1
When it says the king was "without father, without mother, without
descent" that means that he did not earn his kingship from his parents. In
other words, Melchisedec did not inherit his kingly throne from his parents. He
became king because he was a righteous man. He was such a righteous king that
the prophet Abraham gave him 10% of his spoils from battle. Jesus was obedient
to God and never disobeyed him. #2 When it says "having neither beginning
of days, nor end of life," - that means his reign was not for a fixed term
- like Jesus. Bye!
You wrote about the Gospel of John 17:1-7. I
love this prayer of Jesus to God! Yes, two times in this passage Jesus refers
to himself as "whom thou (God) has sent." Yes, Al-Ishbeli, God sent
Jesus. Jesus was the Sent-One from God, according to these words of Jesus.
You wrote for me the prayer of Jesus in
Matthew 6:8-13. You are correct, Al-Ishbeli, Jesus ALWAYS taught us to pray to
the Lord God, not to himself. You are right!
You wrote Mark 10:18 - Jesus said "there is none good but one, that is, God." Jesus always gave the glory and the credit for everything that he did to God. Jesus did not take the credit for himself.
You wrote Mark 10:18 - Jesus said "there is none good but one, that is, God." Jesus always gave the glory and the credit for everything that he did to God. Jesus did not take the credit for himself.
You wrote 3 verses regarding Jesus at the
time of his death. Mat 27:46 and Mark 15:34 and Luke 23:46. In each of them
Jesus cries out to God. Al-Isbeli, Jesus and God are separate and distinct from
each other. All of Injeel supports this. Jesus was the Sent-One from God. They
are different from each other.
She
confess frankly when she said Al-Isbeli, Jesus and God are separate and
distinct from each other. All of Injeel supports this. Jesus was the Sent-One
from God. They are different from each other.
So jesus is not god
She evaded from answer on this point
She sent to me a message in 7/2/2015
Hello dear Al-ishbeli, today we are thinking
of you and want to see if you are ok. I hope this message finds you and your
family in good health and safety. I enjoyed our discussions last month and
would be delighted to re-start them, if you are interested.
Peace be upon you and your family,
Isik Abla Ministries
Peace be upon you and your family,
Isik Abla Ministries
I
repeated
Hi dear sister isik abla I'm. In a good
health thanks god. A lot thank you for your asking I hope you. Think more to
reach the right way which will safe you in this life and other. But really you
mean about re start them ??
Remember. Sister you said jesus and god are seperate and distinct from each other but alas you still insist that jesus christ is a god. Even though he didn't say I'm. The god. Of you woreship me he didn't. Say that . He confirmed that he was send by father god. Joh 17:3
Remember. Sister you said jesus and god are seperate and distinct from each other but alas you still insist that jesus christ is a god. Even though he didn't say I'm. The god. Of you woreship me he didn't. Say that . He confirmed that he was send by father god. Joh 17:3
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This
generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only…
Here jesus frankly Confess that the load god only is the greatest in this universe and he is weaker than him so here we confirm that jesus Christ is not god he is only man (messenger of lord god ) remember sister here you didn't answer me i'm still waiting you god bless you and guide you to the truth way
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only…
Here jesus frankly Confess that the load god only is the greatest in this universe and he is weaker than him so here we confirm that jesus Christ is not god he is only man (messenger of lord god ) remember sister here you didn't answer me i'm still waiting you god bless you and guide you to the truth way
So
she replied to me 9/2/2015
Jesus was the son sent by God to show men what
God is like. Because of God's love for us, Jesus represented His Father. Jesus
said to see Him is the same as seeing God Read John 12:44-47 "44 Then
Jesus said with a loud voice, He who has faith in me, has faith not in me, but
in him who sent me. 45 And he who sees me, sees him who sent me. 46 I have come
as a light into the world, so that no one who has faith in me will go on living
in the dark. 47 And if any man gives ear to my words and does not keep them, I
am not his judge: I did not come to be judge of the world but to give salvation
to the world."
I
replied to her 12/2/2015
she said
Hello dear brother Al-isheli! I am truly
happy to hear the good report from you. In reading back over all our
discussions, I believe we have erred in failing to discuss one of the titles of
Jesus - Son of God. This title brings huge meaning to our discussion. Yes,
Jesus and God are separate and distinct from each other. God is the Father and
Jesus is His spiritual son. Jesus is not the physical son of God because God is
Spirit. God can not have a son the way men do. He must have a son by Spirit
into the virgin Maryam
I replied
Hi sister again I hope you are in the best health
I know all what you meant about the personality of Jesus Christ what the Christian called Humanity and
divinity of Jesus Nature
and she said
jesus was the son sent by God to show men
what God is like. Because of God's love for us, Jesus represented His Father.
Jesus said to see Him is the same as seeing God Read John 12:44-47 "44
Then Jesus said with a loud voice, He who has faith in me, has faith not in me,
but in him who sent me. 45 And he who sees me, sees him who sent me. 46 I have
come as a light into the world, so that no one who has faith in me will go on
living in the dark. 47 And if any man gives ear to my words and does not keep
them, I am not his judge: I did not come to be judge of the world but to give
salvation to the world."
I said to her
Joh:12:44: Jesus cried and said, He
that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
Joh:12:45: And he that seeth me seeth
him that sent me.
Joh:12:46: I am come a light into the
world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
Joh:12:47: And if any man hear my
words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but
to save the world.
These words not to show that jesus
Christ is a god like the lord god these words mean that anybody
believe in jesus as they see him
so they must believe in the lord god as they see him and surly we can't see the lord god look (isik ):((No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son,
which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.)) John 1:18
So
how we know the meaning of joh 12:44-47 from 1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto
the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: ((for they have not
rejected thee, but they have rejected me)), that I should not reign over them.
Really they rejected Samuel not god but
because we know that Samuel was a prophet of god and god sent him to Israel so anybody reject him
so definitely reject the lord god
So
this is like john 12:44-47
(isik ):So Jesus said that seeing Him was the same as
seeing His Father. Al-isbeli, do you not carry some of your own father in you?
Do you not represent your father in your community? Do people ever say that you
remind them of your father? Maybe yes or maybe no, depending on your situation.
But since Jesus was the spiritual son of God and never did sins, Jesus
represented the perfection and holiness of his Father. In this way, we can say
Jesus is God because seeing Jesus is the same as seeing God. Yet we know that
many Injeel references show that they are separate and distinct from each
other.
As we said jesus Christ talk by god like any prophets
this case finish
But really your messages
lead me to think in two situations
Number one : you confess frankly that the god of Christianity is not one but
three separate gods and this is not accept with the faith of the Christianity who believe that the three is one
Number two : you consider that Jesus is
(a part of soul from the god
soul) forthat you said .(isik ): God is the Father and Jesus is His
spiritual son. Jesus is not the physical son of God because God is Spirit. God
can not have a son the way men do. He must have a son by Spirit into the virgin
Maryam
And you said also
(isik ):since Jesus was the spiritual son of God and
never did sins, Jesus represented the perfection and holiness of his Father. In
this way, we can say Jesus is God because seeing Jesus is the same as seeing
God
I replied
so in logic how can Jesus or holy spirit to
be a god and the father god made them and sent them. For your information. If
any god made another god that's mean the first god is creator and the second
god is creature. And exactly become not god. A messenger or angle. Because the first god who made the
other and give them the ability to be as god
is stronger and greater than the
other gods
so the first god is the source
(origin) and the other are as branches
so the father is only the greatest
he is only
a great god
Jesus Christ is weaker
than the father god he is sent by him so he is a messenger of
the lord
god
also holy spirit is weaker than
the father god so it is an angle of the lord god
and this is the truth what we cannot
refuse it
actually I hope to understand in your
mind not in your emotion we are human being
we have a mind to think
at all I wish
the best to you sister god bless you and guide you to the truth
with my best regard
your
brother al ishbeli
I also replied to her
(isik said ):When God sent Jesus, God sent His
representative who would show everyone what God is like. Jesus has the nature
of His Father
(I replied): (( In
what nature ??? how soul has a child
and we know this logic in this life
because we will died so we need children
in this life to inherit us but god no need that because he don't died))
(isik said ):
we cannot fully understand the Godhead – the fact that the
Father, Son, and Spirit are ONE
(I replied): ((here you are Shortened all our debate in these words you cannot understand the nature of your
faith so this is what I meant from
beginning))
(isik said ): They are ONE. Jesus and the Spirit have
separate work-they are distinct persons-but they are NOT separate gods!
(I replied):((This is hard equation we need more than mathematician to
resolve it ))
(isik said ): If we say that Jesus is ONLY a Messenger of
God, then we remove Him from the Godhead. That is why I continue to state that
Jesus is MORE than a prophet, MORE than a messenger. Jesus is the Unique
(I replied)((Sorry sister but Jesus
is not god or like god he is great
messenger and prophet but he can't to be like the god who created him from
nothing as any creature believe me if Jesus is great man he birth without a
father but Adams also birth without father and mother))
she replied
(isik said ): You chose a good passage in John 12:44-47
to show that Jesus is related to God as no one else is. If someone sees Jesus
– who is sent by God, then they see the nature of God. If someone
rejects Jesus- who represents God, then they reject God. Your comparison with 1
Samuel 8:7 was a good one!
In both the Old and New Testaments, God is
ONE. There is only One God. God is greater than time. He is eternal God. God is
beyond space. He has no limits. And God is beyond number. Genesis 1:26,
“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to
Our likeness…” The Hebrew word for God is Elohim
– a plural Oneness – a Godhead. Just as we do not
understand everything that God is eternal means, we cannot fully understand the
Godhead – the fact that the Father, Son, and Spirit are ONE. They are
NOT 3 separate gods! They are ONE. Jesus and the Spirit have separate work-they
are distinct persons-but they are NOT separate gods! Jesus and the Spirit are
part of the unity of the Godhead.
There is only ONE God! God is the Greatest,
the Creator, the Source, the Head of all, the Exalted One worthy of all worship
and praise, the Great God. You have given many Bible verses which state that
both Jesus and the Spirit speak ONLY what the God tells them to. Your most
recent John 12:44-50 is a good example of Jesus. John 16:13 is a good example
of the Spirit. If we say that Jesus is ONLY a Messenger of God, then we remove
Him from the Godhead. That is why I continue to state that Jesus is MORE than a
prophet, MORE than a messenger. Jesus is the Unique, One and Only
Representative of the Father. Jesus is the Sent-One from God to become the One
who makes possible our deliverance from sin, Satan, and death. Without the
redemption work of Jesus on our behalf, we are helpless against the power of
sin and Satan and death in our lives. We are easily bound in chains, unable to
set ourselves free. Jesus accomplished two things for us by His death and
resurrection: In his death, Jesus absorbed God's wrath against us for our sins.
In his coming back alive from the dead after 3 days, Jesus brought us future
deliverance from the crushing power of sin and Satan and death over us. With
kindest regards to you, my brother, Isik Abla Ministries
(I replayed):Finally she said In his death, Jesus
absorbed God's wrath against us for our sins
(I replied):((This is wrong we read in Eze:18:20: The soul that sinneth, it
shall die. The son shall not bear the
iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son:
the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the
wicked shall be upon him.
So how jesus must die for our sins we do a mistake by ourselves not by anyone so
jesus not deserve to die by our sins
this is truth sister ))
God
bless you sister I hope you understand
I
replied to her
You said When God sent Jesus, God sent His
representative who would show everyone what God is like. Jesus has the nature
of His Father (( In what nature ??? how soul has a child and we know this logic
in this life because we will died so we need children in this life to inherit
us but god noneed that because he don't died)) You said we cannot fully
understand the Godhead – the fact that the Father, Son, and Spirit
are ONE ((here you are Shortened all our debate in these words you cannot
understand the nature of your faith so this is what I meant from beginning))
Also you said They are ONE. Jesus and the Spirit have separate work-they are
distinct persons-but they are NOT separate gods! ((This is hard equation we
need more than mathematician to resolve it ))
And also you said . If we say that Jesus is
ONLY a Messenger of God, then we remove Him from the Godhead. That is why I
continue to state that Jesus is MORE than a prophet, MORE than a messenger.
Jesus is the Unique ((Sorry sister but Jesus is not god or like god he is great
messenger and prophet but he can't to be like the god who created him from
nothing as any creature believe me if Jesus is great man he birth without a
father but Adams also birth without father and mother)) Finally you said In his
death, Jesus absorbed God's wrath against us for our sins ((This is wrong we
read in Eze:18:20: The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear
the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the
son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness
of the wicked shall be upon him. So how jesus must die for our sins we do a
mistake by ourselves not by anyone so jesus not deserve to die by our sins this
is truth sister )) God bless you sister I hope you understand
Finally
she escaped and wrote in 20/02/2015
Hello dear Al-Ishbeli! I want to be honest
with you. Our official Isik Abla Facebook Policy is that we do not engage in
debates with our friends. We have thousands of Muslim Facebook friends who are
genuinely seeking peace and cleansing in their lives. It is those friends that
we must give our time and attention to. We tell our Muslim friends who merely
want to debate that we are not a forum for debate. We must concentrate our time
on those who are actively seeking their place in the kingdom of God through
Jesus Christ.
And so dear Al-Ishbeli, since our
conversation has turned into a debate, it is time for me to say good-bye. I
appreciate all the time you have invested in our conversations. You are welcome
back anytime. But I must turn my attention to those who are desperate for
cleansing and new life through Jesus. With much respect for you, dear
Al-Ishbeli! Isik Abla Ministries
